The message title made me think the speaker would discuss ‘mid-Acts’ doctrine about what-they-believe will be the activities of ‘the body of Christ’ (who they limit to be only Paul’s converts) for eternity in the heavens. He even began by stating that he was putting 20 years of study into one hour, about "what’s going to happen, the eternal glory we will have in the future." (Boy, were we in for a surprise!) Then he said something like, ".... and how John wrote his epistle about ‘that which was in the beginning’ and then John wrote about ‘the beginning’ again at the end." I have no idea what he meant by that. Next he told us that some of the verses he would be using would make us think that he was going down the wrong way, but his conclusion would clear it all up. During his message, he ran so many rabbit trails, it caused me to remember his warning.
The speaker made this statement, "If you disagree with me -- bring me a verse -- or don’t tell me I’m wrong." The longer I listened to his sermon, the more I thought he set us up. HE is the one who needed verses to make his points .... which MANY times, he did not have. Thus, when the scripture said nothing of the sort, there are no verses to prove him wrong, and he evidently thinks he is right. That is not a good way to ‘come up’ with doctrine.
He read
Gen 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
.... and said, "If you have an open firmament, then you have to have a closed firmament of heaven." What?!
He read
Rom 1:19-20 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
.... and said, "Can you see the government? It is a piece of paper. The government is a person, it’s people. There are governments in His creation." What?!
He referenced Job 38:1-7, and said, "Job knew these 3 men as his friends, so he would be in the center. If Job is the one we think he is, Moses would have been 55 years of age - he’s in the land of promise." What?!
The speaker read Ezek 1:27 and said, "God told Ezekiel what heaven looked like.
He saw someone seated on a throne in heaven surrounded by a rainbow, like the glory of God. That made Lucifer, in his original state, like a rainbow. He wanted to overthrow God." What?!
The speaker asked this question about Lucifer, "What did he cover?" Then he answered, "He covered all of creation. He covered the heavens and the earth." Here are the verses that tell that he covered, but they do not say WHAT he covered:
Ezek 28:14-16 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
So the speaker was wrong, because HE had NO verses to make his claim in the first place.
He had a whopper of a story about 1/3 of the stars in the sky being cast out (Rev 12:4) and when Moses came, the heavens could not be ‘read’ anymore .... like if you took every third word out of the Bible, you can’t read it. They could not read the word of God because it was gone. Angels didn’t take care of it. 1/3 left and it couldn’t be read anymore. What?!
He read Romans 16:25-26, and said that prophecy was fulfilled in those stars and they could see how it was going to work out from Adam to the cross. But what was "kept secret" meant that nothing was written in the stars about that. What?!
When he said, "I’ve taken out all the verses that I can," I just shook my head.
The internet connection was later lost and I did not hear his entire message. But by then, I had already heard way too much.
This is David Dowell, saying, "Think about it!"
